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| Elan 7E Metering manual lensesContentsIntroductionSo, you want to use a non-electronic all-manual lens on your Elan 7E. Perhaps you need the 4 frames per second motor drive; or the sophisticated flash system on the camera. Or maybe you have a special lens without any equivalent in the EF lens mount. Or you have a special lens, such as a fisheye or a perspective control or tilt-shift lens that is significantly cheaper than the Canon professional quality lens. If you have correct adapter, it ought to be possible to mount such manual lens physically on any EOS camera. Although Canon does not manufacture them, separate custom non-electronic adapters are available that allow Elan 7E users to mount M42 or Leica-R or even Nikon-F lenses. Users of other EOS cameras who are prepared to forego automatic focus, and automatic metering can successfully use such manual lenses. However, Elan 7E users are in for an particularly unpleasant surprise. Unlike other previous EOS cameras, the Elan 7E the first EOS camera that is unable to meter correctly through manual focus lenses! The release of the Elan 7E also corresponded with an advertising campaign in the USA that only Canon lenses were compatible with Canon cameras. Coincidence? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| The ProblemCan it be done? Yes, of course! So what's the trick? Firsly, we had to learn more about the problem. To measure the error, we needed to meter through the SAME lens first in AUTOMATIC mode, then in MANUAL mode, on the same EOS body with the same target. The difference between the two readings has to be the metering bias inherent in the camera body. For consistency, I suggest putting the lens right up to a lightbox (or LCD monitor screen) to fill the entire frame. Use centre-weighted metering at ISO 100. Do not use an "intelligent" metering mode, such as evaluative or matrix metering. Spot metering is also susceptible to hotspots or reflections, and might also not give an unbiased result. First meter the scene in Av mode with the lens wide open. Record the reading. (e.g. f/2.8 1") Use the meter reading to calculate the EV setting.
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| Julian's Ev calculator |
Then meter the same scene with the same lens wide open,
but working as a manual lens. This can be achieved by
partially dismounting the lens on the EF bayonet, so that
there was no electronic connection between lens and
camera. But be careful not to drop the lens or the camera!!!
And if you use an Image Stabilizer lens, make sure that
the Image Stabilizer is switched OFF (0).
The difference between the two meter readings (e.g. f/00 1/8") is the metering bias for THAT PARTICULAR CAMERA BODY. To check that the metering bias is linear, we also needed to meter with the lens STOPPED DOWN. The EV readings at the stopped-down apertures should be the same. For example, f/4 1/500 = f/5.6 1/250 = f/8 1/125. How do you turn an EF lens into an f/8 manual Aperture lens? Easy: first set the desired aperture and activate DOF preview. Then uncouple the lens, but do not remove it from the camera body. When you do this, the aperture blades remain stopped down, and you can fake a manual lens with any selectable aperture (e.g. from f/1.8 down to f/32). So, what if your camera does not have DOF preview? Set M mode with your desired aperture and a shutter speed of 2 seconds. Release the shutter, and while the shutter is open (and the lens is stopped down), uncouple the lens before the shutter closes. Of course, this is cheaper if your camera does not have film loaded :-) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| The FixBy performing the metering experiment with our Elan 7E and EOS 30 cameras, using a variety of lenses set to different apertures, we determined that the metering bias was 3 stops, and that it was consistent across the entire metering range of the camera. 3 stops of underexposure would produce unusable, dark pictures, even on wide-lattitude film.
Test shots with narrow-latitude slide film confirm
the
So, when you want to use a manual focus lens, simply
apply Unfortunately, if you use film slower than ASA 50, you reach the limit of ISO indexing on the camera. No problem: just dial in extra exposure compensation on the camera, and also on the flash if you are using flash. Confused? Consult the following table:
The numbers in the table might be hard to remember. Remember to adjust the ISO setting so that it is one eighth of the film ASA rating. E.g. for film rated at ASA 800, set ISO 100. The Elan 7E also offers an easier method. When adjusting the ISO value, each click is worth one third of a stop. Nine clicks are required to change the ISO setting from 800 to 100. Of course, when you are remounting your EF lens, don't forget to change the ISO back to the correct value for your film. Finally, just in case your meter is slightly different to ours, be sure to check your results before an important shoot. Note: The E-TTL modeling flash function does not work if the EOS 30 has a manual lens mounted. This feature appears linked to the DOF preview Since a manual lens does not have automatic aperture control, the modeling flash is also disabled. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Revision History
v0.7 2004May27 jul: grammar CommentsHi,I found 4 stops error in metering reading on my Eos 30 when lens contacts are uncoupled (I tried with the lens wide open and stopped down using a 18% gray card as target) rather than in normal EF mode. I think the error value is subjective and may change from one camera body to another. Sincerely Giovanni Giovanni 7/8/2002 5:56:58 PM Hello. I found that my Elan7E is also 4stops out wide open. Unfortunately metering error isn't even linear. Sadly, I can't use manual lenses. mikko 8/26/2002 2:26:02 PM Or you try to work with a hardware-fix. Details (in german only!) can be found on my homepage. Ansgar <http://www.muenster.de/~ansgar-k/gbstlt/index.htm> Ansgar Komp 9/4/2002 10:46:44 AM Sorry... I tried with different apertures and different lenses... Error is NOT CONSTANT. e.g. at f/1.8 to f/2.8 meters indicates +1/2 ILn then at f/4 it is ok (+0) , at f/8 it's -1/2 and at f/16 it is -1 IL. Tricky... can be fixed but you have to remember errors for each aperture... tof 9/13/2002 9:16:27 AM With my EOS 30, I only found a 1/2 stop (under-exposition) with a 50/1.8 and the 28-80 at different apertures. With the EOS 500 it is ok, if you use selective metering (*). tof 9/13/2002 8:43:05 AM 1) The Elan 7E meter is specified to be accurate for EV 1~20 at ISO 100. To keep within this range at the camera meter, you need EV 8 in front of an manual f/16 lens. 2) What's to remember? If the light is constant, and the scene is bright enough, bring along an EF lens and perform incident or substitute metering with the EF lens, preferably with the camera in M mode. Then just replace the EF lens with the manual lens before you shoot. If the light is not constant, you can focus and meter through the manual lens wide open, then manually adjust your aperture and shutter settings just before shooting. And if all else fails, bracket, or rely on the exposure lattitude of the film. And perhaps use TTL OTF flash to fill in the gaps. Julian Loke 9/13/2002 1:20:37 PM Tried your method, but the metering bias is not linear. I got something from 2.5 stop to 4 stop difference. Very sad that canon make us had to spend more to get a EF or compatible lens. :( keta 12/26/2002 4:52:06 PM In manual mode with 42 mm lens. With my EOS 30, I found a 3 IL (under-exposition) with a 50/1.4. With the EOS 500N and 50E it is ok, if you use selective metering. I believe the problem of EOS 30 (or 7E? in US) is comming from the new function CF 13 which takes care of the position of MF for other uses as : IS, AF !, central col ... So the electrical switching change in the EOS 30. Could somebody be very kind to send me the electrical circuit of the 10 contact on EOS 50E and EOs 30. It should be possible to simulate the presence of a manual AF lens whit 27 ohm resistor. To read about all. Happy new year 2003. And nice pictures for all. henri 12/26/2002 7:35:40 PM I tested my EOS-30 this way, and discovered that the error is not linear. The lens was right on top of my lightbox, and the metering mode was centre weighted. The lens was the 50/1.8-II. Wide open, there was a 3.5 stop difference, but it gradually reduced to a 2 stop difference at f/16. So... it is not linear. There was a 16/2.8 fisheye (manual) going cheap, but sadly it looks like I can't use it with this body. Guess I'll get myself a used EOS-5 or 50. Sriram 1/1/2003 8:40:21 AM Hi, it seems that this _was_ an error in the firmware of the EOS 30. There are some posts in the german newsgroup where users send their EOS 30 to Canon to update and after returning the error was gone: news:apr0af$48jq3$1@ID-34778.news.dfncis.de or google-thread: <http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=de&th=bc3029010be2e0a8> and news:3DAB32C1.410F2443@lycos.com or google-thread <http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=de&th=956ad1662b55108b> and http://www.behrens-home.de/photo/eoslimit.html (look under "Non-AF lenses with EOS 30/33/Elan 7/7e") Regards, Manuel Manuel Fischer 1/7/2003 8:18:41 PM I've tried my EOS 30/Elan7E with several Lenses and i modified the light power. Sometimes it was OK, sometimes I found 1/2 TL underexposure Tony 2/2/2003 8:28:02 PM I have EOS 5 (European version of A2e) with similar problem. Just leave it to Canon to screw up otherwise a fantastic design! Eddie Gowharrizi 1/10/2003 9:38:12 PM Just finished a trial test of the metering with my Elan 7e and the 50/1.8 as well as the 28-135 both coupled and uncoupled. Both cases there was a one stop underexposure only. Harman Bajwa 1/22/2005 10:59:32 PM Just wanted to add that the 1 stop underexposure was not linear. Below f/5.6 the underexposure was half a stop. Harman Bajwa 1/22/2005 11:04:02 PM Just finished a test of the metering with my EOS 30 and the 500/8 as well as the 28-80 both coupled and uncoupled. Both cases there was a half stop underexposure only. Aleksei 2/2/2005 12:47:32 PM Does anyone know if this also applies to the Elan 7? I just bought an manual 500mm miror-lens, but I have'nt noticed any major problems... I also have'nt been able to test it in a variety of situations. please contact me at: jordan_kamaz@yahoo.com Jordan S 2/20/2005 8:26:10 PM Using your same method I've found a 1/2 stop difference with the Elan IIe (50e). For example, if using the 50mm f/1.4, metering a grey card @ 1/180s f/1.4 in either metering mode, uncoupling the electric connections I get a reading of 1/120s for the same aperture. Thanks for your article! I've been considering getting a Leica-R lens adapter for my Canon gear. Canon should quit shooting themselves in the foot this way. Gabriel M.A. 3/16/2005 3:56:15 AM <a href="http://cjbnovxr.com">qvdzuviq</a> [URL=http://abbjvdxi.com]lvyentrd[/URL] yuvowqcy http://jfqhplye.com xbgqurkn mtctwtex ihkvqyzx 2007Oct28 14:26:23 -1000 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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